that the united states has some kind of big debt problem, and in fact, you know, people who are just getting their news from the major media, they would think that we're facing in the united states, that we have 9.2 unemployment and an extremely weak economy as you can see from the data that came out today, they associate that with the debt. in fact, it's quite the opposite. we didn't have even a deficit problem until the recession. so the deficit problem that we're facing right now in the short term is simply a result of the recession and the weak recovery, and in the long term, of course, it's our health care spending that drives the long-term deficit, because we pay twice as much as other high-income countries per person. that is the medicare and medicaid. it's not a demographic problem or a spending problem, it's actually a health care cost problem. and the public is completely unaware of that from watching the news that they see. >> ok. there is a weak recovery, as you say, very quickly, the credit agencies may write down triple-a rating anyway, might they, yes or no? >> it's possible.